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For God's Sake !! Submitted by 'Grizz' from Alexandra, New Zealand. |
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God, Allah, Buddha, Jehovah ... The list is long. It depends on the believer as to what name is used. Same goes for which book is used. The bible has a vast number of versions (too many to list here). It seems each religion has it's own version of events. For a Deity that is supposed to be loving and benevolent, God is responsible for more human suffering and death in the history of man than anything else!!!
Each religion will tell you they are the ONE and that all others are False and their God is a false God and some go to war to prove it. And yet no one can give us positive proof that their God actually exists! "It's a matter of faith" is the standard answer! Faith in what I ask you?
It all sound like nonsense to me!! I have more faith in the existence of aliens and little green buggers than in an all powerful entity.
It All Started With...
Just like a man. The magic of life and you turn it into sex. Grizz, Maybe you should try Tartric sex, I heard it was very spiritual.
burgermiester ( 86 posts / 5 fights ) from CAMARILLO, California (United States) on 06/16 at 09:13AM PT
You are confusing Spiritual with religion , I've had many events in my life I would call "SPIRITUAL" none of them attributed to a higher being ,I'm sorry but there is no "magic" involved in birth ,It's Biology,Plain and simple .
Grizz ( 533 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 06/16 at 03:05PM PT
So then, you do believe in a greater/higher/spiritual power, just not that power as a being or God? If so, we are in the same realm there.
The act of conception and birth may be biological, but is not life itself completely spiritual? Even in your belief system of self there is faith; It just may not be in a God or Deity. Acceptance of the unknown is faith at its finest
burgermiester ( 86 posts / 5 fights ) from CAMARILLO, California (United States) on 06/18 at 01:58PM PT
Nope!!! Higher power/ spiritual being, figments of an overactive imagination. Faith is something I place in myself Because I know myself as should everybody else .Of the suposed "Christians" I know ,A good number of them fall into the group I call "The just in case crowd" these good folks go through the motions just in case "God" exists .The rest of these "christians" put their faith in a STORY told in many versions (The Bible) most of them bearing little if any resemblance to the original hebrew scolls .While we are at it could you explain the difference be tween a Cult,a sect and a religion (ie Catholic,Presbitrian, Baptist etc) One is praised while the others are scorned and yet they are all groups of people with a common belief ???
Grizz ( 533 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 06/21 at 05:15PM PT
Whilst I may have been a little harsh with" the Figments of an over active imagination " crack ,Higher powered spiritual being ,NO I do not believe in one,I do , how ever believe the human race to be extremely arrogant in it's belief we are the only intelligent life form in the galaxy ,let alone the universe. And yet they will put their belief system to work on a mythical being with spiritual powers
Grizz ( 533 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 06/23 at 02:05PM PT
I don’t believe in a higher powered being either, just a higher power. But unless you’ve seen one of those Aliens you talk about, you’re taking someone else’s word that they exist; So why attack those who believe the bibles. Most don’t know original scriptures were revised by kings and clergy using the fear of God to keep parishioners under thumb. Like government, organized religion won’t divulge truths that would cause it to lose power. I would buy your excuse of them “ramming it down your throat” if you were not just as zealous about others accepting your take on the ways of the universe. As far as believing in fantasy; Lack of proof did not keep the world from being round, it only kept the skeptics from venturing into it. Some believe the imagination is nothing more then a window into the future.
burgermiester ( 86 posts / 5 fights ) from CAMARILLO, California (United States) on 06/25 at 09:08PM PT
In 1987 I , along with 40+ people witnessed an event that was not of human making,The same event was not only witnessed by us but also a plane full of people ,One of the passenger managed to film it which then played on the national News for all to see . Guess that counts as a yes ,I think I've seen them, To the "ramming it down my throat" comment , I don't go knocking on peoples doors at all hours telling them they are not living their lives in a god fearing fastion !! I"m not attacking any body .YOU PICKED THE FIGHT !!! I'm just voicing my opinion .And now I'm DEFENDING that opinion with facts not fantasy !!
Grizz ( 533 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 06/29 at 12:11AM PT
I also note you used "Bibles" not bible , there for you accept that there is more than one version of events . " Some believe the imagination is nothing more then a window into the future." And some believe they can talk to the dead too, along with all manor of furtune tellers,palm readers and clairvouents.A good many of these sooth-sayers as well a s a few "Men of God" have been exposed as the fraudsters they really are !! Well I have nothing against Imagination , I am concerned when it starts to affect the real world .
Grizz ( 533 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 06/29 at 12:40AM PT
Yes, I agree with you on much of this topic, and did pick this alley fight. I love the topic and always enjoy a little friendly banter. But didn’t you start this God business in the first place?
Wow! That must have been exciting. I have family that has seen. I am only one of those who believes and has “talked to the dead” , which sounds like something you don’t believe in. Given what you’ve seen first hand, aren’t you open to the possibility of other pheromones being “real”? There are fraudsters in science also, that doesn’t make all of them quacks.
burgermiester ( 86 posts / 5 fights ) from CAMARILLO, California (United States) on 06/30 at 12:23PM PT
Porch-preachers, The Fuller Brush men of religion! They try and sell their goods, but I buy only what suits me. But telling them they are fools is the same as telling us we’re going to hell. (If they are right: I would rather be in hell with family and friends then heaven with many of the good Christians I’ve met.)
Yes, bibleS. There are stories, traditions, and philosophies from throughout time and the world. Some even left by your little green friends, I accept there is more then one view. Although I have my own view, I also accept all the other views might be correct. What if in a time-space continuum there is as many truths as there is individuals? What if we are all correct and what we each believe will become our own eternal life? Guess we will find out in the end
burgermiester ( 86 posts / 5 fights ) from CAMARILLO, California (United States) on 06/30 at 12:37PM PT
Yes I started this ,Because I am truly amazed at the gullibility of the human race ( well some of us ) For instance The book of Genesis , The "Story"of creation,Who reported this, moving further along ,Did the same person also witness the "Original Sin" Considering that Adam & Eve were supposed to be the only ones around at the time ?? I'm sorry but there are just to many inconsistencies / contradictions for this croaker !! Especially when it flies in the face of Archaeological evidence . Most "Christians" refute the existence of cavemen , And what they say about Darwin's theory ,Well that's just unchristian like, And yet they would have me believe in the fantasy story that is the " Book of Genesis" ergo what about the rest of the bible ...
Grizz ( 533 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 07/07 at 02:53PM PT
...I don't deny the possibility of other Phenomena ,I do strongly object to these shysters, who like religions the world over ,offer false hope to people in real need ! and when nothing happens they use the biggest cop out ever "It's Gods will" Are we ,as the human race , so pathetically weak ,that we need a spiritual crutch to lean on when things go sideways. David G Myers (Exploring Social Psychology) Says that we are a gullible race who are vulnerable to errors in perception and wont accept these errors exist !! In summary he says "It's Like an insecure Pinocchio says to his maker Geppetto " Father I don't know who I am but if I'm alright6 with you , then I guess I'm alright with me " Ergo If god likes me ,I like me.................
Grizz ( 533 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 07/07 at 03:28PM PT
You know what they say about assuming… So assume your victory, but in what? In that you don’t believe in God, anything that isn’t proven, and you haven’t seen with your own eyes so other shouldn’t believe either? In a philosophy that would have had you believe the world wasn’t round until Columbus went sailing & didn’t fall off? In your belief of other intelligent life, but not that they may have greater powers that as human we might consider “magic”?
On a scientific note: we are social creatures and religion is one of many ways we are taught to socialize. Although the belief of One True God causes wars, how many are non-radicals are kept from hurting others because of their religious belief? It is not the belief systems themselves, it is the lack of open-mindedness and tolerance to other possibilities, like you have, that creates friction.
burgermiester ( 86 posts / 5 fights ) from CAMARILLO, California (United States) on 08/13 at 01:59PM PT
At the risk of repartition I am open to other Phenomena When based on fact.BUT , If you are to look at the bible with an open minded logical view ,There are questions ,and lots of them And as a few Documentary makers have found out "Christians" don't like it when they go looking for these Answers , And find them And when the answers don't match the bibles story the "Christians " dispel the research as crap and the evidence as false And in the same breath tell me I'm Closed Minded! I wonder if you and all the other 'Christians ' will feel like the "flat earth" believers did when there long held belief turned out to a little less than fact I'm betting that there won't be a therapist in the world that isn't run off his/her feet .....
Grizz ( 533 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 08/25 at 03:12PM PT
.....I'm thinking that it is possible that the people believe in their particular "GOD" because the truth maybe to horrid to face Having faced that kind of realization myself ,it's a nasty shock to the system to find out that something you believe in ,is not as it seems, It will cause you to question life it's self as I now do After 20 odd years of being a good little catholic I now know that this particular flavour of faith is not about god it's about power and money , and I suspect most other faiths are the same !!! Have watch the various T.V Evangelist that infest our early morning TV it's all "praise the lord and pass the money"So if that be your belief system you can have it..........
Grizz ( 533 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 08/25 at 03:38PM PT
..If you were to spend the time I have researching the roots of religion ,not just Christianity ,You may come to similar conclusions that I have , And probably ask the same questions I now do . I haven't found all the answers yet ,or even all the questions .What I have discovered so far is not conclusive ,and the search will go on ...................
Grizz ( 533 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 08/25 at 03:58PM PT
A fact dis covered just recently ,If the Vatican and the Church of England along with the Reputable Faiths in the U.S. were to redistribute just half their accumulated wealth ,poverty world wide would be a thing of the past .Instead the build multi million dollar temples to their god the mighty dollar.............
Grizz ( 533 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 08/25 at 05:55PM PT
To be repetitive and a little clearer myself, I am not a Christian unless you interpret the term at its most basic of Believing there once was a man named Christ who tried to show people possibilities. In fact I probably offend “all the other Christians” you group me with. You speak of religion as a whole, yet only come back to Christianity. Do you or not believe in Buddha, Moses, and witches?
burgermiester ( 86 posts / 5 fights ) from CAMARILLO, California (United States) on 08/27 at 12:01PM PT
As a Pagan I believe that every LIVING creature has a spirit , It's the Spark of life.Buddha is in the same group as Christ and The Dali Llama .What I am saying is ,I DO NOT Believe is that there is ONE ALL POWERFUL GOD !! And that MAN has twisted and Perverted Religion to suit his /her beliefs much the same as ancient Egyptians did ,Some of theses pharaohs elevated them selves to god status for their own benefits .Witches on the other hand make me nervous ,I have an associate who claims to be a white witch and yes I have witnessed some unexplained and freaky happenings whilst in her presents .....
Grizz ( 533 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 09/01 at 02:03PM PT
..To her credit , she doesn't attribute these phenomena to an all powerful god , As a Pagan I do not pray to gods or spirits ,I do believe in the spirit world ,Having said that God and the Devil pure fantasy .Just stories passed done from generations past, Like the ghost stories told around camp fires the world over.the unfortunate part is that man (well some of us ) has taken these tales more seriously than others and believe them to be fact and the perversion continues today .......
Grizz ( 533 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 09/01 at 02:21PM PT
....My major bitch with religion is,They tell you to do one thing and do exactly the opposite thing ie idols and symbols are a no no (according to the bible) and yet you walk in to any church and the first thing you see is a cross and in some of the more affluent communities the cross has a representation of christ on it!! OOPS or (again according to the bible)you are supposed to treat your body as a temple and keep it pure ,imagine my dismay when as a youth I'm told this by a priest who is trying to light a cigarette again OOPS and you wonder at my lack of faith ......;...
Grizz ( 533 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 09/07 at 10:24PM PT
I don’t wonder about your lack of faith. I see a loss of faith in one thing and a search for something new. I guess I’m lucky in a way as I never understood the way of structured religion to begin with; I had nothing to lose. My “fight “with you is that belief in “God” doesn’t necessarily mean a belief in a single almighty. My God is everything: Everything is energy good/bad, light/dark, alive/dead, working synergistically to produce all that we see and feel, and all the infinite possibilities to come. That includes the truths lost and lies passed on that structure the major religions of today. It is what makes us all different and life interesting even though altogether as one, we are the same.
burgermiester ( 86 posts / 5 fights ) from CAMARILLO, California (United States) on 09/08 at 10:42AM PT
Well I agree with your definition of life .And your philosophy towards life is almost Pagan in nature .I do have a problem with last comment "as one ,we are all the same"The only similarity between me and say George Bush jr, or anybody else on this planet, Is that we are members of the human race !! over the years I have been labeled a Cynic, a Heretic and worse ,but it's interesting to note that the people who point fingers at me are the same people who are trying to keep alive the lie that is organized Religion and the most vocal of these was the leader of our local Pentecostal Church To him I am the epitome of evil ,"the local Anti Christ" And why you ask ?? Because I ask him some of the same questions I've posed in my posts here ...
Grizz ( 533 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 09/09 at 01:58PM PT
... His reaction to these questions was not what I expected in stead of attempting to show me the error of my ways he launched in a diatribe of name calling and evicted me from the building .And apparently I was the feature in the following Sunday's sermon ,as some one to be avoided at all costs ,and this is Christianity ?? I think I'll stick to my Pagan beliefs thanks
Grizz ( 533 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 09/09 at 02:10PM PT