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For God's Sake !! Submitted by 'Grizz' from Alexandra, New Zealand. |
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God, Allah, Buddha, Jehovah ... The list is long. It depends on the believer as to what name is used. Same goes for which book is used. The bible has a vast number of versions (too many to list here). It seems each religion has it's own version of events. For a Deity that is supposed to be loving and benevolent, God is responsible for more human suffering and death in the history of man than anything else!!!
Each religion will tell you they are the ONE and that all others are False and their God is a false God and some go to war to prove it. And yet no one can give us positive proof that their God actually exists! "It's a matter of faith" is the standard answer! Faith in what I ask you?
It all sound like nonsense to me!! I have more faith in the existence of aliens and little green buggers than in an all powerful entity.
I’d like to address a few things before discussing the main topic. God, Allah, and Buddha are not the same god as you advocated in your initial post. God and Jehovah are the same name as they are used interchangeably within the Old Testament. But Allah and the Islamic religion, proscribes a far different set of rules and standard then that found with God or Buddha. So when one decides to pray to Allah and one prays to Buddha they do not believe they are praying to the same god just using a different name. I’m not suggesting that multiple gods exist or that one religion is better then the other. I’m simply explaining that it does not depend on the believer as to which name God goes by but that people pray to these different names because the different names hold different meanings and different beliefs.
XBN ( 35 posts / 6 fights ) from Las Vegas, Nevada (United States) on 06/27 at 12:29AM PT
.It matters not by what name You call the supposed spirit/entity/god .It all boils down to the same thing ,An all powerful God that nobody can prove exists, I wonder at the devotion of the people that trot off to church on Saturdays or Sundays (Depending on your faith) ,What drives you to have such faith in ,what is essentially a folk story from the Middle East .And by all accounts a poorly translated one at that. I have found 25 + version of the Bible ,And each of them tell the same story ,But the differences are astounding , So my friend BRING IT ON maybe you can show a convincing argument
Grizz ( 508 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 06/28 at 11:23PM PT
It’s true that a vast number of versions of the Bible exist. However, the changes within those Bibles are in general different versions or perspectives on the same events that took place. Still, the Bible’s core message is that God sent Jesus to save the world from sin. This message, I assure you, does not change through the different versions of the Bible. The differences are minuet across different version of the Bible as the basis and foundation of the religion remains the same. Each sect may have its own version of events but this does not mean that one religion is better then the other or that one version falsifies the other. The key overall is to believe one’s own religion while respecting other beliefs.
XBN ( 35 posts / 6 fights ) from Las Vegas, Nevada (United States) on 06/29 at 12:18PM PT
The problem with that is , that the foundation is flawed !!! From the original translations and even further back to the original scrolls .The message has been twisted to fit their own beliefs while they deny Archaeological facts (well the bits that don't fit their beliefs). If the foundation is flawed what of the rest of religion ?? Is the faith in "God" filling the need, of our fellow humans ,To have faith in something .Psychologists suggest that 'The less faith a person has ,the more likely it is that that person will turn to religion ,to fill the need for something to believe in " More facts that will indubitably be rubbished by "The Faithful" amongst us........
Grizz ( 508 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 07/07 at 03:58PM PT
....If one is honest with ones self peer pressure is the reason for most peoples faith ,Be a good little Christian , and you'll go to heaven .That's what you're told as a child. Soren Kierkegaard(1851) declared "the proof of Christianity really consists in "following" .For the layman amongst us ,If you can convince some one that what you 'preach ' is the truth and they follow your beliefs ,you have just started a new religion .The Mormons ( founded in the 1820's) are a good example of this.An unholy alliance between freemasonry and religion to gain power . Show me ONE religious organization that follows the rules as laid down in the original scrolls .Even the 'TEN COMMANDMENTS' were to much for most of them . And yet I'm the one who would be labled a heritic......................
Grizz ( 508 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 07/07 at 05:05PM PT
Religion has been twisted overtime because of human flaws and sinful nature that causes them to twist their beliefs to fit their own life is true to a certain degree. And following is a mahor part of most religions. Still the difference that is not being realizeded here is that religion and relationship. Religion is the organization of pratices,worship methods and etc. Religion is meant to organize certain belief, added structure if you will. But religion is merely the organization and amplification of the relationship one has with God. It is relationship first and religion second. Adam and Eve are a great example as the relationship came first before any talk of the Israelites. However, religion has become the major focus and has sometimes emphasized following the practice rather then the relationship. Still this argument does little to produce evidence that believing in God is a sham
XBN ( 35 posts / 6 fights ) from Las Vegas, Nevada (United States) on 07/11 at 11:41PM PT
Please excuse the type os in the last post. Before I conclude with my final post I would like to give it an introduction. Many have tried to disprove God exist and make it seem foolish. Yet Christianity and other religions grow daily in mass numbers. People who express the same sediments as these posts are converted daily as well. Further, no group has successfully formed in history that has erased or seriously threatened the existence of religions. Even science has the utmost difficulty proving that God does not exist. How is it possible then that Christianity and religion continues to grow, when according to these posts God is obviously the most foolish thing ever created. Are all the believers across the world and history complete idiots or just ignorant enough to fall for the world's biggest scam? Surely this is not true.
XBN ( 35 posts / 6 fights ) from Las Vegas, Nevada (United States) on 07/11 at 11:57PM PT
I could quote verses from religious texts to prove that humanity, not God, is to blame for the evil in the world. I could reference texts to show that God loves humanity and will overcome all evil. But just as the deaf cannot fully appreciate music and the blind cannot fully appreciate art nor can the nonbelievers fully appreciate God. You sneer at the believers because they use faith to prove God exist. However, ask the Gaza strip fighter if they believe Allah exist, or ask the underground Catholics in China if they believe Christ is the Savior. They believe without evidence but the fact that they believe is the evidence. Religion and faith are like other languages and if one doesn’t speak them then one won’t fully understand them. But just because one doesn’t understand them does not mean that they are nonsense.
XBN ( 35 posts / 6 fights ) from Las Vegas, Nevada (United States) on 07/11 at 11:59PM PT
Well I admire Your faith , I feel the need to point out certain facts ,Adam & Eve,Noah's Ark .Two favorites of Sunday School Teachers .Problem is Where did these tales of woe come from, In the tale of Adam & Eve , They ( apart from god and the serpent) were the only ones alive (this is a question asked many times but never answered) .Next problem , Most Christians I've talked to dismiss evolution as quackery ,And yet they would have me believe that ALL life on this planet came from Noah's Ark .These two examples are part of the foundation of religion and yet they appear to be nothing more than tales ,Ghost stories , Fables just like the stories you tell around a camp fire ........
Grizz ( 508 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 07/14 at 04:03PM PT
...My next problem is , On several occasions through early history ( Again according to the bible) God has wiped the slate clean by raining down his wroth upon us ,Floods , Fire from the sky ,and turning people (Lot's Wife) to salt ,For their sinful lives .Now "If" you look at the world today ,And in some cases it's not a pretty sight, the human race has perpetrated a far greater set of crimes than the citizens of the B.C. era and yet nothing from above .No hell fire or brimstone to be seen , not even a whiff of Sulphur !! Without actively trying to prove that Christianity, Islam , Buddhism etc etc is a scram I've found many ,many inconsistencies that just don't add up and can't be explained as "Gods will" ......
Grizz ( 508 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 07/14 at 04:31PM PT
...Facts are,sadly missing or so badly contorted as to make the bible a work of fiction .We as Croakers lambaste the Media of today ,For their inaccuracies in reporting news events of the day and yet Christians accept the bible as a true and accurate record of events ,Even when proof of it's, less than credible reporting of facts is placed in front of them!! You asked "Are all the believers across the world and history complete idiots or just ignorant enough to fall for the world's biggest scam? Surely this is not true." Through history there are examples of how gullible Mankind can be , It's truly horrifying to see how ready to follow mankind is!! Even ' Modern Man' will act like a flock of sheep given the right provercation .
Grizz ( 508 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 07/14 at 04:59PM PT
Again your argument is a bad one based completely on logic. You state again that because things are missing or misinterpreted from the Bible that God does not exist. However, missing or misinterpreted text is far from proof that God does not exist. One cannot logically and empirically conclude that God does not exist just because there is no evidence. Lack of evidence does not equate to having proof of something. You have offered no evidence to prove that God does not exist. So concluding that God does not exist because there is lack of evidence to prove so does not mean that one can automatically conclude that God does not exist. Furthermore, there does exist a massive amount of religious information and evidence that God exist but if one wants to ignore those evidences and just put a mental wall and continue to deny deny deny
XBN ( 35 posts / 6 fights ) from Las Vegas, Nevada (United States) on 08/17 at 01:25PM PT
then that is not my problem. Further why argue the point further... I have explain that in order to believe in God one has to have faith. If you do not believe in God or have faith then it is hard to fully understand the concept. Thus evidence to prove God exist would be hard to understand. However, just because you don't believe does not give you the ability to conclude it to be nonsense. Yet, even this explanation found you returning to your former argument. Thus, any evidence you have been presented with found you continuing in rejection saying the bible is false, faith is nonsense, etc. Nothing anyone has offered or could offer to you has or would changed your position because it appear you simply want to be stubborn and continue to deny deny deny. This is not truly a fight then
XBN ( 35 posts / 6 fights ) from Las Vegas, Nevada (United States) on 08/17 at 01:34PM PT
because a fight would entail that one actually has respect for the opponents position. All good fighter know that respect is shown by reexamining their own position after every round in order to make their argument more effective. However, you refuse to look at anyone else position and just continue to deny and believe you are right. Denial is a stubborn but ineffective strategy. Because one can cling to their position no matter what evidence or argument is presented in opposition because those who use denial as a strategy often only want one thing and that is to be right. You have just as much factual evidence that God does not exist, that believers have that God does exist. Thus, one cannot factually know (except by faith (not fact)).
XBN ( 35 posts / 6 fights ) from Las Vegas, Nevada (United States) on 08/17 at 01:44PM PT
So, it appears that you are simply looking to bash the believers because if you were truly looking to understand and be open to why believer believe you would not have continued to deny everything you've seen on the site and would have asked question to try and develop a fully understanding rather then ask load question to set people up to provide answer that you can just simply knock down by saying that they have no proof. Yet you have no proof for your argument and thus denial and refutation are your tactics. Thus, it seems you argue in this way to just to continue to prove to yourself that your position is right.
XBN ( 35 posts / 6 fights ) from Las Vegas, Nevada (United States) on 08/17 at 01:50PM PT
Firstly ,For many of my formative years I was a good little Catholic Boy Going to Mass at least 3 times a week and totally believing in the Catholic way of life .Participating in Youth groups etc Yup Good little Christian Boy , then one day Thanks to a "Born again Christian " named Roy from the U.S I was force to take a hard look at myself and my beliefs and I embarked on a mission ,I look ,I mean really looked good and hard at all kinds of faiths/ religions this took many hours of talking to different church leaders and reading many versions of the bible and a mountain of research ,both for and against religion This mission still continues today ,all though I don't devote as much time as I use to .......
Grizz ( 508 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 08/18 at 02:15PM PT
......Over the last 30 years I have heard /read some interesting ideas from all sorts of people offering their take on faith and god a fair few of these were to say the least fraudsters just out to make money from the gullible with "Medicine Show " tactics of supposed "miracle" healings and talking directly to god .and in the end they all want you to fork over your hard earned cash ! So my fine fettled please do not assume that I'm fighting for the sake of fighting and that I do not respect others views or their right to have them .Denial is for wimps who can't face the real world of factual evidence ,So if you have factual evidence bring it on ........
Grizz ( 508 posts / 14 fights ) from Balclutha, Clutha (New Zealand) on 08/18 at 03:03PM PT